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Great Pyrenees => Great Pyrenees Discussions => : MyDyson August 18, 2008, 10:19:34 AM
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Hi All,
Yeah, it's been a long time since I been on here. I have neglected Dyson with poor quality food for too long now ???. I read some other post, and it seems the majority of you all use Innova EVO, is that true. My local Petsmart & Petco don't carry it, do any of you all recommend a good brand from them or should I find a place that sales Innova?
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Sorry, too distracted by your avatar. Oh my gosh, that is one cute pup!
I live out in the west, so not familiar with local stores in your area but many times if go to their home page you can look up local distributors. Here is a link that might help you.
http://www.naturapet.com/brands/innova.asp
Cute Puppy!!!!!
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Sorry, too distracted by your avatar. Oh my gosh, that is one cute pup!
I live out in the west, so not familiar with local stores in your area but many times if go to their home page you can look up local distributors. Here is a link that might help you.
http://www.naturapet.com/brands/innova.asp
Cute Puppy!!!!!
Yeah, He is no longer a PUPPY. He is 3 years old now. I just never changed the picture. Thanks for the link. If anyone else has good suggestions I'd be more that grateful to listen.
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I have one more question about Innova. Which would be better: Large Breed Adult or the EVO one? How much would you feed a adult Pyr per day with this higher quality of food?
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I buy my dog food on line and if you spend $50 it is free shipping and believe me usually 1 bag does it. I have found places on line that are cheaper but by the time you add shipping it is way more expensive. the site is: http://www.k9cuisine.com
They carry all the good brands of dog food.
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The Pet Supplies Plus stores near me carry Innova as well as my local feed store, so you could check those, too, if you have some near you. I feed my Pyr approx. 3 cups/day of Wellness Core, which is a grain free food (like EVO). I am really liking Wellness Core for my pups--they look great and they like eating it.
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Thank you all for your replys. I will keep Innova in mind. My awesome neighbor brought me over a 30lb bag of Blue Buffalo Large Breed food yesterday as a gift, so I figure I will try it for the time being. I have read some about Blue here, and rechecked the recall info. Looks like the Wet Food and Snacks were recalled earlier spring 2007 due to the manufacture adding ingredients without BBs knowledge. I hope it works out, if not I will look for Innova. Thank you all and if you all have any other concerns about Blue please let me know.
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I just switched my pyr from Canidae to Evo. He seems to be eating more of it than he did with Canidae...whic h I thought would sort of be the opposite? Anyone else experience this? Bag says about 3-3.5 cups... I top him off at 4..but he is still searching for food and he isn't the type to over eat ??? ??? ??? Not at all what I expected based on others experience with EVO
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Carolyn, Rainbow is also on EVO and doing great! She's on the upper end size wise for a female Pyr and she eats a good 4 1/2+ cups plus my special home made toppings. (split into two meals) She's 5 1/2. Whisper - just now 2 - is on the Innova Large Breed plus the home made toppings. He's "growing" again and I've increased his amount. I've attempted to offer him EVO slowly now that he's 2, but he (silly boy!) does not seem too fond & picks around it so - he's back on the Innova+.
I'm going to be introducing the Fromm 4 Star soon as my Groomer gets her order in. We'll see how it goes with the samples.
With Rainbow, she tends to stay a nice, healthy, lean but muscular weight with the EVO. But as we all know, Pyrs mature slowly. Whisper's still just a Babe. He's just now starting to really fill out & it will take another 1 1/2 yrs. I've always said you don't know what you have in a Pyr till they are at least 3 1/2 years old. Body OR temperment. ;) Just as with humans ~ everyone is different. I'm a firm believer that daily grooming is not just good for the soul of dog and person - but that hands on touch and feel lets you know just what kind of condition your Babe is in. :)
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I just switched my pyr from Canidae to Evo. He seems to be eating more of it than he did with Canidae...whic h I thought would sort of be the opposite? Anyone else experience this? Bag says about 3-3.5 cups... I top him off at 4..but he is still searching for food and he isn't the type to over eat ??? ??? ??? Not at all what I expected based on others experience with EVO
Didn't you mention that your Pyr was pretty picky before and not eating enough? Correct me if I am wrong :-\
If he is searching for food you should give it to him because he probably needs it :-\
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Yes you are exaclty right. He is a picky eater so I don't mind giving him extra food. Just I was reading a lot about Evo and it is high in protein so perhaps I should include some other "toppings" to give him more food but not over due it on the high protein. With the Evo I read frequently that the portion would decrease compared to other foods so I was just curious what others experienced. I pretty much feed Marley all I can however with the grain free I know I have to watch that I don't over due it on the protein levels....and as I said he is picky so I don't usually have a lot of options outside of the kibble he eats.
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Yes you are exaclty right. He is a picky eater so I don't mind giving him extra food. Just I was reading a lot about Evo and it is high in protein so perhaps I should include some other "toppings" to give him more food but not over due it on the high protein. With the Evo I read frequently that the portion would decrease compared to other foods so I was just curious what others experienced. I pretty much feed Marley all I can however with the grain free I know I have to watch that I don't over due it on the protein levels....and as I said he is picky so I don't usually have a lot of options outside of the kibble he eats.
As long as he is on a lean side he can eat as much as he wants ;) I have been feeding Lily grain free since she turned one and he is nice and lean and just got OFA Good for hips. Pyrs are VERY good in controlling the amounts they eat :)
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We feed raw now. But for a good deal I suggest www.petfooddir ect.com They have low prices, and up to 22% off coupons all the time. Plus free shipping on orders over $50. I get all my extras for the pups from them. To many good deals.
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We feed raw now. But for a good deal I suggest www.petfooddir ect.com They have low prices, and up to 22% off coupons all the time. Plus free shipping on orders over $50. I get all my extras for the pups from them. To many good deals.
Thanks for the link. The prices on there are cheaper not only for dog food, but for my bird and rodent products as well. I will def. be buying from that site, I will have no problems going over $50.................lol.
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Anyone know of a site like this that services Canada?
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Hi, I too feed raw.. have for 7 yrs now with Heather, And Heather, my Great pyr Service dog is 10 yrs old her vet says she is fit as any 6yr old would be. grin.
I used to recommend EVO to other people. but they have recently (since the recall last year) changed their formulas, and i no longer encourage it. For instance this ingredient list for Evo large bite dry food http://www.evopet.com/products/default.asp?id=1485 no longer states that they include *fermentation solids*.. NOW its under " Direct-Fed Microbials " and unlike the other ingredients there is NO pull down to explain that. in putting that into google, i found http://ag.udel.edu/anfs/faculty/kung/articles/direct_fed_microbials_and_enzyme.htm which goes into details about the fungal yeast products that are grouped in probiotics. those mentioned in the article are some of the very ones that Evo Used to list on thier ingredient list. Makes me wonder why they took the detail off their website?? perhaps because other people were getting alarmed at seeing them, or the increasing problems being observed by pet owners with other brands. dont know. its only a speculation.
one dry kibble that i have not been able to find fault with, (and i do a LOT of kibble ingredient research) is DVP Natural balance Limited ingredient formula's When i go to pow wows in the summer / fall this is what i take for her to eat.. its too hard to keep the raw cold enough even with its own cooler and nearly all ice. the last pow wow, i took the venison and sweet potato for her. and she was quite happy. First of the month of August, i took a long road trip, and i took 2 1 lb bags of her raw and a small bag of the kibble. she was more interested in eating the kibble. so i shared the raw dinner with the woman who i took to pick up a new dog for training to be a service dog. boy that dog sure loved the raw also. Heather was happy to share.
the reason that i do not like the evo now.. is that they are adding in things that are not proven to be without risk to dogs. as with the latest problems with canidea the fermentation solids are not that great a thing for dogs. many dogs are coming up with lots of health concerns. http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/canidae.html
Also.. some things they do not tell you.. that the dried chicory root makes a lot of dogs itch. its also a laxative to dogs, thats why they use it, as there are other forms of inulin that are easier on the dog, but dogs are not designed to digest grains and the dogs system may lag trying to digest them. so the laxative sends the poop out.
with Raw you have much less poop coming out then the amt of food going in.
Josephine Morningstar & Heather, Grt Pyr, MASD
Native American in New England.
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im not really sure where the hostility comes into play. it was not my intention to bring that out in anyone. i posted what i found on the internet..
maybe i should give you some background... HEY i used to feed EVO.. and did so for 2 yrs.. but Heather's allergies did not get better.. come to find out that she is very much allergic to SOY and any soy products.. so when i went to raw meat.. her allergies subsided..
last october, though it was found that she had hypothyroidism .. and my vet says.. it was from many years on SOY products..
great pyrs are low metabolism.. so it takes longer to get out of their systems.
now for the rest of her life.. Heather has to take 2 thyroid pills twice a day. i merely try to educate.. and i do preamble my opinions with just that.. my opinion. i did not attack anyone on this thread nor forum. but golly gee it sure feels like the masses are against me.
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as to soy products.. maybe ya'all should check out this site. http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/
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All of this totally confuses me, and I'm sure many others as well ???
Jo Morningstar said;
"one dry kibble that i have not been able to find fault with, (and i do a LOT of kibble ingredient research) is DVP Natural balance Limited ingredient formula's"
but on Consumer Affairs, the website which you also posted--this company is linked with serious complaints of PET DEATH. So are you saying THAT only one particular type of their animal food killed pets?
I have such a DOG FOOD HEADACHE :o
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All of this totally confuses me, and I'm sure many others as well ???
Jo Morningstar said;
"one dry kibble that i have not been able to find fault with, (and i do a LOT of kibble ingredient research) is DVP Natural balance Limited ingredient formula's"
but on Consumer Affairs, the website which you also posted--this company is linked with serious complaints of PET DEATH. So are you saying THAT only one particular type of their animal food killed pets?
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the company name was involved as was alot of others, but it was involving gluten that was being added to congeal / combine the food in processing.
IF you look closer to what i was happy with it is *limited ingredients*. they have NO GRAIN.. NO chicory root, esp no gluten .. so this formula was the only one out of the rest that was totally grain / gluten free.
the only formula that was involved in the recall ( http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/naturalbalance04_07.html ) was the venison and ** Brown Rice**.
what i have liked and use when i go to pow wow.. is this one. http://naturalbalanceinc.com/dogformulas/VenDog.html
quoting the ingredient list on that page...
INGREDIENT LISTING
Sweet Potatoes, Venison, Venison Meal, Potato Protein, Canola Oil, Potato Fiber, Flaxseed, Natural Flavor, Choline Chloride, Natural Mixed Tocopherols, Taurine, Vitamin E Supplement, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Manganese Proteinate, Manganous Oxide, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Supplement, Biotin, Calcium Pantothenate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B-6), Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Riboflavin (Vitamin B-2), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Folic Acid.
no grains of any kind. not even rice. also no chicory root, no rosemary extract, and none of the *fermentation solids*. either.
Heather is able to switch for the 2 days of pow wow (or 4 some times) to eating this particular kibble, her stools are the same, also small, no smell to them, dont attract many flies either. but it maybe the location we are at the pow wow.. as i do not even see many mosquitoes (its in a mtn valley)
main thing is that she does not itch from eating the kibble. so for Heather it works.. so i recommend it to others that have had dogs having trouble with other kibbles or the itchy ness they cant quite pin their finger on..
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Hypothyroidism can be genetic or an autoimmune disorder. That's why thyroid testing is now part of OFA and CHIC. - have you had the full panel testing done and sent- not at your vets- it needs to sent off to one of the vet universities.
Unfortunately many many many 'allergy' symptoms are actually symptoms of hypothyroidism- Also hypothyroidism can be linked to a iodide deficiency - there is a supplement called thyroid support which some people have used successfully to get their dogs off of thyroxine. Far more complex than just saying it's due to soy