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BPO Breeding Forum => Breeding Questions & Information => : BritnyLe January 19, 2009, 12:07:49 PM
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When me and my boyfriend were looking for breeders of giant breeds in my area we found a breeder that constantly mixed her dogs. I'm not gonna say any names and I love mixed breed dogs if it was an accident and the owner knows that but to keeping mixing dogs and charging pure-bred prices seems a bit wrong to me. The breeder I'm talking about started as a Saint Bernard breeder and still sells registered saints but she now also has her saints, a newfy, a great per., and a old english sheepdog. She constantly mixes and matches her dogs and sells the puppies for $400+ a puppy. Her last batch she had puppies that were 6 months and no buyers so she had to lower her prices. Yet she keeps popping out more puppies. What do you think about this?
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Not a fan of hap-hazard breeding, but $400 is not a purebred price. Most purebreds of these breeds run upwards of $1000.
Hate the practice no matter what she charges.
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She doesn't sound like a responsible breeder to me. If there were a reason she was doing this, that's one thing. But if she's mixing and matching constantly like you say, then there is no rhyme nor reason to it. And that is wrong on so many levels. >:(
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I'm the wrong person to answer.......b ut I'm gonna anyway.
I love mutts. I had a lab/collie mix who was wonderful in every possible way. My three oldest kids grew up with him and he was everything from a protector of them and our property, to a big pillow that they laid on. But, now some people will hate this, his mother was a collie and his father was a yellow fellow down the road. It was a natural event.
My daughter has a puppy that she paid $$$ for and I can't even remember what the little guy is. It either ends with poo or tsu or doodle. I don't know. But this breeder did the same thing, mixed 'em up. Seems weird to me.
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She charges 600 for limited registration on her saint bernards and 800 for full registration. Her mixed breed puppies she sells for 400. I just think its irresponsible. And she keeps getting/adopting more giant breed dogs to add to her mixing/breeding group.
Don't get me wrong I love mixed breed dogs. Both of my current companions are mixed. But they were not planned litters. They happened and then the parents were fixed. But to keep breeding different breeds to each other constantly doesn't make sence.
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Not a fan of hap-hazard breeding, but $400 is not a purebred price. Most purebreds of these breeds run upwards of $1000.
Hate the practice no matter what she charges.
Uh...........I might have accidently gotten generic.
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It is people's fault that breeder's like her exist!
If they went to the shelter instead and adopted poor mutts instead of paying $400 it would discourage mixed breeding :-\ And let me tell you $400 is a LOT for mixed breed puppy that is not spayed. Those people do get quite a profit >:(
I am SOOO against these practices >:( >:( >:(
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That is so wrong on so many fronts~! Sounds more like a backyard breeder than a reputable one~!
I do have to admit that I got Woody from someone who purposely bred their German Shorthair (AKC champ at that) with the Weimarainer/Lab mix from next door, 'cause they "thought it would make for cute puppies"~! >:( In any case for that, I only had to pay $20 for him. If those idiots didn't do that, I wouldn't have had my great Momma's boy for the last 13 years.
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I'm posting a link below to her site. I have never personally met her but I tried to email her multiple times to talk to her about her saint bernard puppies and she responded once with a generic email stating price and info listed on her site and never responded after that.
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I'm the wrong person to answer.......b ut I'm gonna anyway.
I love mutts. I had a lab/collie mix who was wonderful in every possible way. My three oldest kids grew up with him and he was everything from a protector of them and our property, to a big pillow that they laid on. But, now some people will hate this, his mother was a collie and his father was a yellow fellow down the road. It was a natural event.
My daughter has a puppy that she paid $$$ for and I can't even remember what the little guy is. It either ends with poo or tsu or doodle. I don't know. But this breeder did the same thing, mixed 'em up. Seems weird to me.
Not bashing the mixed breed by any means. Love them all. It's the deliberateness of it that is bothersome. With so many mixed out there already, to purposely create more is not responsible. Reputable breeders are careful to match healthy animals, whereas the backyard breeder mating willy-nilly has such potential to create pups with lifetime health issues, particularly with the large breeds.
Aack, thump - I just fell off my soap box. :)
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Just a classic backyard breeder....... ...with every red flag and BYB indicator there is. Such a shame and sites like this one are always hard for me to look at, but I could post 50 more just like them unfortunately.
The sickest part of the entire breeding practice in this case is she is breeding without any genetic research or knowledge of what she is mixing, no health certifications from any of the breeds, and she is breeding underage dogs. I noticed her new Saint is being bred at just over a year of age - while he is not yet full grown, and still a baby - completely unethical.
Ugh!
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I'm appalled that she would do this and charge those prices! I'm not a fan of designer dogs in general. For example, a Labrador is a wonderful dog just the way it is. How does adding a "doodle" improve the breed?
I have nothing against mixed breeds. Probably the best dog I've ever had was a mixed breed that came from the pound. I'm sure that he wasn't the product of a planned breeding though.
A responsible breeder will work to improve their breed - not to make a buck. I can't see how this person is improving anything.
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I have to wholeheartedly agree with most of you. I will likely always have mutts, but will NEVER pay $400 for them from someone who is making mutts on purpose just to make a buck.
This is NOT anything near responsible breeding. Someone should hog tie her and drag her down to the animal shelter so she can see all the mutts that are already needing homes before she decides to make more.
This breeder disgusts me.
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It's sad too that although this lady does not sound like a mill, just a VERY irresponsible breeder, there are people like her everyone, and mills too. In my little town of 2500 people there is a lady who runs a mill, and breeds anything and everything. Police have been notified, AKC, animal welfare, etc. etc. She gets told what she has to do, agrees to do it, and no one ever does a follow up. She even has a sign in her yard that says, "Multiple puppies for sale at all times." Disgusting, and especially disgusting when no one does anything.
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I love mutts. And I have a great hatred for what this woman is doing. Mixing dogs without thought of consequence. My parents just got a puppy from a lady just like this one. She had a PB corgi and decided to make some money by breeding her at 14 months to a mini aussie. I let my parents know straight up this was horrible to be supporting this lady. Their response was they couldn't change what happened and the puppy was free. The lady charged 200 for the rest of the litter.
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Ok...If you want a mutt (and they are great dogs) got to the humane society or rescue. BUT to mix breeds on purpose is wrong. I hate all the doodles they are creating. They think the dog will not cause allergies but most of the time it makes no difference. Also I've seen some really bad tempered dogs that end up in rescue or humane societies. So many giant breeds have so many health issues to mix them I think is even worse. OK I'm finished now :-\
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I love my mutt, that I was given, by his 3rd home at 6 months old, I can not stand irresponsible breeding, mutt breeding is irresponsible, there is no need to create new breeds, IMO. There are over 300 breeds world-wide, what is a new cross going to be that doesn already exist, cross breeding for more companion breeds is asinine, again JMO. 100 years ago when they were creating new breeds they could not ship a sheepdog from england to austrailia so they had to make a new one to suit their needs, now we can so there is no need to create a new one. On top of that culling the pups that did not meet their criteria was common place should we start that again as well?
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I see both sides. Is the issue really mixing breeds or is it irresponsible breeding? Historically breeds have been mixed (responsibly) to create a better scent hound, water dog, watch dog, etc. This is how many of our "purebreeds" have evolved. I do not disagree with trying to "perfect" on what we have. Wouldn't it be nice to "breed out" some of the genetic and breed specific illnesses and defects? But I also do not believe this is a "cause" for the average breeder, it should be a "quest" for the professionals.
I do believe that creating a "designer" breed or a "fad dog" is definatley irresponsible and will undoubtedly result in homeless animals. I think breeding for the money, for fun or to "just try it" is ridiculous and irresponsible.
However, as long as we have "not so smart" people out there owning and breeding dogs or just irresponsible lazy people who just won't get them fixed, we will have our beloved "mixed breeds" like my Tinker Bear who I adore. My biggest complaint is about the harshness I have received from the "pure breed" community (BPO people excluded). When I found out Tink was a komondor mix, I desperately tried to seek information about health, grooming, etc from the komondor community and they were just awful, - like I was the one corrupting the breed. I adopted her from a shelter for heavens sake, all I wanted was info! Then I found you guys, I am so greatful, you all have been wonderful with advice. I have also tried to join different dog clubs in my area but they won't let me join because Tink is a "mix" - like it is contageous or something. I think anyone wanting to own a dog or breed a dog should have to get a license or take a class, have a thorough background check including ability to finance their fur baby (of course I think people should to have to get a license to have a child too, but that is a seperate issue). The botton line is you can't keep people from doing stupid things. God bless the fosters and adopting families of all shelter dogs and pound puppies, especially the mixed breeds!
Sorry, got a little "preachy".
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I think I will start my OWN dog club/breed. Snobs need not apply. Only the cute, cuddly, furry and excessively drooly may apply!
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