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: VERY SAD AND VERY UPSETTING I AM PISSED
: kildeskennel December 08, 2005, 04:11:00 AM
I do not want to repeat this so I am pasting the situation froma  private email I had with another BPO member.  I just cannot keep reliving this.


I am totally up for a visit, I don't have the time off that you do, but we can work something
 out!  We don't have new puppies yet, I expect Beauty to come into heat again in 3 months and at that time we will be expecting!....
Sad news also, I think I told you that my son lost his lab 2 years ago this time of year, we promised him a new dog after we sold all Beauties pups this last summer.  Brought a Cocker home, Kuvs did not like at all, so we rehomed him and I got Anthony a lab girl pup.  10 weeks old today...Yester day Steve (hubby) let her out to go potty with Aidan and Cali, she dissapeared!  Steve called me at work and I came home we searched and searched, talked to neighbors, took teh snowmobile out and it was fruitless...We had fresh snow so it was easy to track Aidan and Cali, however Shadow (lab) prints did not leave the yard.  You have ben here so know how big our yard is....There has been an Eagle hanging out last few days and Steve thinks it grabbed her....Her prints just dissapear....I am so upset, but worse was telling Anthony another oneof his dogs was gone...He was totally destroyed.I could not stop crying when he came home from school to train her some more and asked him to sit with me first.  He just looked at me and said " No mommy, not my dog , not again!"  He ran upstairs and I just cried, he came back down and laid against me and cried, I bawled like a baby...Steve feels so bad, he looked, she is gone.   
Today he stayed home from school, and Steve took him to a home that had 3/4 Chessies and 1/4 lab pups.  He picked a girl who is brown with black accents.  Nose, ears, chest and tail.  Anthony refused to pick a black girl because "I have bad luck with black dogs"  This girl is very pretty however I was at work when they went, and when I called to find the birth day so I know whento give shots, I find that she is BARELY 4 weeks old.  Go figure....She is beautiful, and full of spunk, no whining, no crying....I am still totally upset and want to case the woods and surrounding areas for Shadow.  I realize she never left the yard, we had fresh snow they were easy to track but I have to be sure....I CANNOT believe she is gone, I CANNOT believe an Eagle grabbed her, although they have grabbed our cats.  She was with the Kuv's!  Our neighbor told us her poodle was grabbed right in front of her never to be seen again..DA**!!!! I cannot tell you how horrid this is.....
On a different note, this week I am off fri, sat, sun.  Next week, I am off fri, sat sun.  Let me know what you want to do!  Shaan
ps.  I am going to copy and post this on big paws as I don't want to keep repeating the story of our missing pup.....Shana
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: my3dogs December 08, 2005, 05:12:01 AM
Oh no.  I'm so sorry for what you are going through.  Your poor son. 
"I have bad luck with black dogs."    That is heart wrenching.

I hope your son gets to keep his new pup for many many years of fun and friendship.

Sending warm thoughts your way.


-Wendy
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: kildeskennel December 08, 2005, 05:19:52 AM
Thx...I am sorry if I am not "enthuastic" about the new girl.  I am so very Pissed is the right word.  I am sure she is going to be great, my son should never feel it is his bad luck to owna black dog, labs is his favorite, it is wrong and it totally makes me want to choke something.  I am waiting for teh sun to come up and as I took the day off of work I am going to look again and look in places I think my hun may have missed.  I have to be sure there is no trace of her before I can accept that she "just dissapeared"  Who knows I may feel crazy enough to search the neighbors property while they are at work!  We all have 80 120 acres!!!!!!!Sucha big area to search....I am sorry I better log off, I am much to negative to be talking right now.  I am sorry to vent on you all...
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: my3dogs December 08, 2005, 05:28:53 AM
I'd want to do the same thing.  I'd want to search and be absolutely sure.

Vent!  That's why the board is so wonderful.   Everyone here understands.

-Wendy
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: DixieSugarBear December 08, 2005, 09:44:45 AM
I am so very sorry.  Maybe to day will bring you some good news.
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: ZooCrew December 08, 2005, 12:33:51 PM
Oh NO!!  That is terrible!!  I'm so sorry your son lost another dog.  I hope you can find some more traces of her.  I can only imagine what it must feel like to not know exactly what happened.

My heart goes out to you and your family, especially your son.
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: Kermit December 08, 2005, 12:34:12 PM
I cannot imagine how awful that must feel. I am so sorry. If it was an eagle, there is just nothing you could have done. Please hang in there and if it's possible try to focus on the new arrival, maybe it was just meant to be for your son to have this new puppy. I can't think of anything to say that could make you feel better... I wish I could help somehow!!!  :'(
You and your son are in my thoughts.
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: Scootergirl December 08, 2005, 12:48:38 PM
I can't believe an eagle would snatch something so large, but I'm a city girl go so I don't have much experience with that. I'm sure he would swoop down before a sleeping kuv could do anything about it. Poor baby. Hopefully, the eagle will have realized the pup wasn't something it wanted and will have left her somewhere for you to find. Anything's possible, right?

I feel so bad for your son. He sounds like a very responsible, caring little boy.
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: Kiahpyr December 08, 2005, 02:07:07 PM
I am so sorry for your loss. My thoughts are you with and your son. I feel so bad for him too. That's just awful. Hopefully you will find something today to give you peace.
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: Binky December 08, 2005, 02:10:24 PM
I am so so sorry for you and your son.  Now I am crying too!  I hope you will find out what happened- nothing is worse than not knowing.  My thoughts are with you.
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: shangrila December 08, 2005, 03:07:54 PM
I am sorry for your loss  :'(
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: NoDogNow December 08, 2005, 03:09:37 PM
I can't believe an eagle would snatch something so large

Jeanne, eagles are seriously BIG birds.  Eagles commonly prey on LAMBS, not just newborns, but up to about 4 months old, and they've been known to grab newborn calves.  Any dog under 30-40 pounds is at risk, especially a puppy who doesn't have any fighting reactions yet.  Their talons are wicked sharp and very strong.

You should take another look around, but if you don't find any sign of him, don't harbor false hope--if an eagle grabbed your Shadow, you aren't going to find your baby.  Those talons would have literally crushed the life out of her before she even realized she was off the ground.  Eagles are apex predators--fast and strong.  Their prey doesn't suffer.  I know that's not a lot of comfort, but at least Shadow won't be out in the cold hurt and scared and not able to get home. 

Without having had this happen before though, there's just no way that ANYONE could have foreseen this.  Neither you or your husband or your Kuvs or anyone is to blame, not even the eagle, really.  It's winter, it's cold, and most of its prey is underground now.  It was hungry.  Nature can really suck, and it's always a terrible, scarring lesson to have to learn.

I'm just heartbroken for Anthony.  I had a puppy--his name was Blaze--disappear in the night right out of my yard when I was 10, and I remember being helpless and out of control.  Even Nickie couldnt' console me for a long time.  I cried, I was mad at everyone, I raged around and hit things--it devastated me.  I can't imagine how it must feel not to be able to fix that for your boy.  I'm so, so sorry.  :'(

But at least now you know that someone should be out side with your new baby until she's a good bit bigger, because you know that this eagle WILL take a pup.  Eagles tend to stay away from us, so just a person's presences should provide her some measure of security.  But if you're going to need to leave her out with just her bigger brothers sometimes, I would recommend rigging her some kind of temporary run screened with some chicken wire, just to be on the safe side. 

Hug your boy as much as he'll let you.   :'(

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: Anky December 08, 2005, 03:33:56 PM
No Dog Now, I know that you're trying to be helpful, but I really wish you would read your post over again and ask yourself if it would help someone or make them feel worse and edit accordingly.
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: Fumble December 08, 2005, 03:58:03 PM
oh my gosh! i am sooo sorry!!  i can't believe that happened!!  not with a puppy!  :o  last year, i was walking to our dining hall at college and i saw a hawk with a squirrel in it's claws, and i started to cry and scare the hawk away, but then it flew off.... even though i witnessed it, i still can't believe it!  i just can't even imagine how you and your family are feeling right now! fumble and my heart go out to you!!  :'(
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: kildeskennel December 08, 2005, 06:14:23 PM
Thank you everyone for the support, there is still no sign of her.  Anthony is feeling a little better today, he just got home from school and is taking Ginger (new baby literally) out side to potty.  She is really quite something, I think we will have our hands full with this one.  Very spunky.  Hopefully th e lab in her will tame down the Chesapeake in her.  I am sure it will all work out fine.  Thanks for commenting on nodog's post Anky.  It did not bother me really.  I grew up and as an adult live in an area where wild animals are prevelant, bobcat, timber wolves etc.. I am quite familiar with Eagles and the nature of the situation if indeed that was what occured.  We watched one last year carry a big buck across the road to a river and drop it and feed, it was amazing.  I could not believe it.  ANywaqy I don't know what else could have happened save for the Eagle scenario.  Unfortunately oneis not always able to be present when the dogs are outdoors, When Beauty had her pups all 13 were in the kennel with mom and dad, I worried all the time about the weasel, bigger predators, and especially the Eagles no problems then, but like nodog pointed out it is winter.  Mabye that post would upset someone else, but honestly I am ok with it, like I said I am very well learned on the wild side of life so to speak.  Again thanks for the positive thoughts.  I will be posting a few pic's of Ginger shortly.  Might as well just start getting used to this right?   ???  I think she should be named wild thing.  Personality is quite , well WILD.  Not sure if I mentioned in my first post that when Steve took Anthony to look at the pups I was at work, and they brought her to see me after.  All my patients loved it, she looked to be about 6 weeks old but when I asked when she was born I found out she was only just 4 weeks old.  So we litetrally have a baby here... :-\  Steve did not even think about the dates nor did he put it together that she was this young.  One would never know it however by the way she acts....
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: kildeskennel December 08, 2005, 06:31:03 PM
Here are pictures of Ginger AKA Wild thing.  with Anthony. 
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: queenkofsnow December 08, 2005, 06:33:59 PM
Is SHE ever ADORABLE!!  I can't wait to see her!!!!!!  She does look older than they say she is.  You can see the impishness in her eyes...WILD THING!!!  tee hee.....mary
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: Kiahpyr December 08, 2005, 06:35:49 PM
She's so cute! I can't believe anyone would give a puppy away that young. Just look at the expression on your son's face. He's happy! Isn't that what matters?!?!!
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: kildeskennel December 08, 2005, 06:41:08 PM
Anthony is happy, and that is what counts.  I was quite fond of Shadow, I am going ot run a lost ad just in case by some weird twist of fate someone did pick her up.  I don't believe this is the case but I just have to do it anyway.
Anyway, Ginger is very cute a little devil, a WILD THING for certain! ::)  so we begin potty training AGAIN.  By the time this is all done I will be an expert.... ;D
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: GrumpyBunny December 08, 2005, 06:44:01 PM
She is adorable.  I love how in the first picture, her and your son have almost exactly the same smiles on their faces!
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: kildeskennel December 08, 2005, 06:55:32 PM
They do don't they?  I did not notice that.  I just called the newspaper and will run an ad for 3 days.  It won't come out until Tuesday though.  For such a little thing she has a ferocious bark and growl.  Her dad weighs 120 pounds, Steve said he is a monster, not tall but wide and built like a "brick Sh** House"  Mom is not as big she is 1/4 lab but still very wide with a big block head.   I better do some serious reading on this breed, I know they are supposedto be fierce protectors of family and home, and excellent hunters and retrievers.  Anyway I better go, I am meeting some friends later for a "foot" party, some kind of foot stuff apparently, if anything I will have a massage anyway! 
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: Kiahpyr December 08, 2005, 07:08:22 PM
My brother has a chocolate lab Chesapeake mix and he is very stocky. I thought he was huge until I got Kiah. He is a great hunting dog and is very protective. You can't even tickle my brother without him barking at you and will jump at you if you don't stop. They don't even lock their doors! Here's a couple of pictures.
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: kildeskennel December 08, 2005, 07:16:25 PM
That is amazing, I cannot wait to see how she develops! Her coloring is very beautiful.  Thanks for sharing the pictures!  And you are right I think all other breeds compared to my Kuvasz are just SMALL!  LOL!
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: Good Hope December 08, 2005, 08:25:40 PM
I'm glad to see Anthony smiling and a little happier.  Ginger is a very cute pup, but "wild thing" looks like it would suit her for sure!  Hopefully they will have lots of fun together.

Mother mentioned that you can buy nautical netting on ebay at a relatively inexpensive price.

We both hope that maybe Shadow's mysterious disappearance will someday be resolved.

Sofia
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: ZooCrew December 08, 2005, 09:08:18 PM
Awwwe, she certainly is a cutie.  I love the expression on her face in the second pic.
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: LaurieW December 08, 2005, 09:08:59 PM
Oh, that was a terrible thing to happen!  I know wild things have to eat too....but can hardly watch when Nat'l Geographic has "those" kind of shows on.  Poor Anthony!  But what a lucky boy to have gotten Ginger aka Wild Thing!  She is so cute, & not only her smile, but the twinkle in her eyes match Anthony's! 
-lauriew
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: my3dogs December 08, 2005, 10:50:35 PM
The pics are wonderful.
Happy boy and a happy pup.  :)
Hope the training is smooth and requires few papertowels. 
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: PupDaddy December 08, 2005, 11:08:12 PM
While I'm sorry Anthony had to suffer a loss, I'm glad BPO was here to share the greif, and that smile on his face is helping all of us recover.
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: kildeskennel December 09, 2005, 02:30:55 PM
Thanks for the info on the netting Sophia, I will check it out.
She is big for 4 weeks, but apparentl;y a chessie is a big dog, not tall but stocky, she is a little smaller than my kuv pups are at 4 weeks.  I am still holding out a little bit of hope we will find out what happened with Shadow, or better yet that someone has her and will answer the Ad I placed that comes out on Tuesday.  We are so isolated in our area with the nearest neighbor a few miles down the road, but if she took the scenic route through the woods she could possibly have ended up on the road behind us where there are more houses, I am checking still and have called so many of the people who I know that live around us.  Anyway I am at work and need to run, I am just leaving to take my children to see Narnia!  I am as excited to see that as they are!  It was my favorite series growing up!  Shana
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: kildeskennel December 09, 2005, 02:33:09 PM
Book series I should have said!  LOL
Thanks again everyone for all the wonderful support. Shana