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Akita Discussions / Re: Akita Mix?
« on: October 17, 2007, 08:25:53 am »
I'm not entirely sure how precise this is but I was reading on msnbc.msn.com that there is a new DNA test for figuring out what your mixed breed actually is.

Go to: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21156493/

One thing we all know for sure is he is super cute!

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Bernese Mountain Dog Discussions / Re: Potty Training
« on: October 16, 2007, 09:44:17 am »
It took us a while to get Sophie our Newfie girl to "get it" too. Now if she comes to the door and stands there, barks or starts to walk off, we know she has to pee. :) I've picked them up as puppies and run out of the house with them peeing all over themselves...p hew, that's fun :)

Ahh yes, I love the pick them up while peeing part...been there done that!!   :D  How old would you say your little girl was when she stopped having accidents?

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Bernese Mountain Dog Discussions / Re: Potty Training
« on: October 16, 2007, 09:29:57 am »

http://www.bitenot.com/index.html
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Awesome thank you soooo much for the advice, we found a local vet that carries them!!!  YAY!! ;D ;D ;D

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Bernese Mountain Dog Discussions / Re: Potty Training
« on: October 16, 2007, 08:44:52 am »
why not just look into one of the no bite (no chew?) collars?  i'm sure someone else will have the right name and maybe a site.  that way he could get down the stairs and you could do your normal routine...?  good luck with it, whatever you choose.  i know a change in our "norm" throws everything off for everybody here!

There is another collar that is not a cone that would work??  That would be great...I will do some research on it...he hates the cone!

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Bernese Mountain Dog Discussions / Re: Potty Training
« on: October 16, 2007, 08:43:29 am »
This is off topic, but since you have a berner, and I'm curious... can you tell me anything about how fast your boy grew? Sammy weighs about 36 pounds at 14 weeks, and I'm curious because he'll be flying at Thanksgiving time, and I need to come up with a weight estimate to give the airline folks. He'll be about 19 weeks then...

Thanks!

Funny you ask that...I was just making a slide show of his progress the other day.  My puppy was in the 45 pound range.  But he started gaining about 5 pounds per week once he hit 5 months.  It all depends upon your puppy.  I know that when Boomer turned 6 months old it seemed like he doubled in weight.  Also off subject but my puppy has HOD Hypertrophic Osteodystrophy ...in other words he has a growth defect.  We recently learned that it is best to keep large dogs on a low protein diet ("You want a moderate protein/moderate fat food ((around 21-24% protein and 12-14% fat)) for a giant breed puppy.") to slow down their growth.  We recently changed to Eagle Pack which was designed by the Great Dane Lady who has tons of experience with large breeds and HOD.  Let me know if you want any other info.  Boomer got diagnosed with HOD at 6 months and it was horrible...it seems to be common among large breed puppies.  If you can I suggest you go to the Great Dane Ladies web site and read about HOD so that you can watch for the warning signs.  We had no idea what HOD was until we had to rush our puppy to the vet because he was in to much pain to stand....

Good luck with your puppy, they are the best!

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Bernese Mountain Dog Discussions / Re: Potty Training
« on: October 16, 2007, 08:21:29 am »
It's like a light bulb moment, one day she kept coming up to me when I was on the couch, then walking away, so I got up to see what she was doing and she was sitting next to the back door so I made the biggest deal out of that and she hasn't peed in the house since!

I will just have to pay more attention when he is seems to ask for attention and walks away...  :)  Good to know that I'm not the only one that does not see the warning signs!

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Bernese Mountain Dog Discussions / Re: Potty Training
« on: October 16, 2007, 08:19:39 am »


He does have accidents, though. It's funny, I think he just doesn't quite know when he has to pee, or even when he is peeing! Sometimes (not often, thankfully!) he will actually walk around the house while peeing, dribbling everywhere! Messy!

I'm glad to see someone else with a berner on here! Sammy is my first dog (as an adult, that is), and I am just so proud of him! I think he is the smartest. I'm working on the bell thing with him, but he doesn't get it yet. We'll get there!

I know exactly what you mean about the dribble thing....I call it his track marks!  I find that he dribbles most often when he first comes out of his crate :)  This I understand since he needs to potty so bad.  I just don't get why when we are home he HAS to go out way more frequently.... afterall he goes hours on end in his crate at night! :-\

I love my Berner and can't wait till we have a complete trust factor with him!  Also with the bell just make sure that you have a specific command you give him when you want him to ring it...we say "Outside? Ring the bell" and we would repeat this to him every time we took him outside followed by "Good boy ring the bell" when he rang it with either paw or nose.  When training him to ring the bell we would help him ring the bell whenever we took him out.  It took a while and is still trying since he now likes to ring it just to go outside.... :)  But they are the cutest little fur balls!

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Bernese Mountain Dog Discussions / Re: Potty Training
« on: October 16, 2007, 08:14:02 am »
Some people disagree with the bell, the theory is that they are training you to come when they chose.  I personally think it's kinda cute.  But I know my dork would be ringing it all day.  Can you move the bell, temporarily, to a spot he can get to?

We too had our old fella, Max (at the bridge) trained to pee on command.  When he was a pup we would say "go pee" as he was peeing.  As he matured, all we had to say was "go pee" and he would.  It came in quite handy at times.

Good luck.


Tina

I can see why some people disagree with the bell but it seems to be the only warning we get.  But he does ring it just because he knows it means he gets to go outside which is hard.  But worth not having him potty inside!

Boomer used to go potty on command but he likes to wander around and take his sweet time now....so I think its time to put him back on a leash outside. 

I think he understands the potty outside thing for the most part...he can go 8 or 9 hours overnight in his crate and 8-9 hours while at work in his crate without going potty.  The only time he seems to potty inside is while we are home...:(

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Bernese Mountain Dog Discussions / Re: Potty Training
« on: October 16, 2007, 08:10:47 am »
They are all different.  My Modoc, is a Great Dane, and he was not potty trained until he was 6 months old.  I'm sure you already have a regiment  but it sounds like it needs to be revived..  We had to do that with Modoc., The dog door was so far away from thhe living area that if he went there we would neveer know.  You need to start taking him out on 1/2 hour breaks and telling him to go Potty.  Modoc is so used to trraveling iin an RV now that he goees potty on command on a leash but you're dealing with a six month old so justt keep taking him out every half hour and rewarding him for going potty.  Use treats.  I know my last dane peed in the house until she was 6 months then one day it just stopped, I hope the same for you,
jeri

Thanks Jeri, we are going to start back at square one and go out on the half hour again.

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Bernese Mountain Dog Discussions / Potty Training
« on: October 15, 2007, 09:27:04 pm »
Hi everyone,

I come to you desperate for help!!!  My Berner is now 6.5 months old and still having issues going pee inside the house.  He does not give any indication to when he needs to potty.  I have even gone as far as to test his urine at the vet to see if it is a medical issue.  He does have a bell that he rings most of the time but he is not able to access it currently because he was neutered last week and can't go down the stairs with his cone on.  Please any help would be greatly appreciated... .how long did it take for you all to potty train your Berner?!  I have heard they take longer to potty train but what is "normal"?  Also, everyone says that the Bernese is a sensitive dog....what is the best way to make it clear to him that it is not ok to go potty inside?!

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Medical Conditions & Diseases / Re: Hypertrophic Osteodystrophy (HOD)
« on: October 11, 2007, 09:54:53 am »
We feed Wellness puppy food. 

Miranda, you may want to rethink Boomer's food.  Wellness is a good brand, but the puppy formula is way too high in protein and may actually be exacerbating the HOD.  You want a moderate protein/moderate fat food (around 21-24% protein and 12-14% fat) for a giant breed puppy.  I believe that the Wellness adult formulas are in the appropriate range.

You are absolutely correct.  We just discussed this last night...seeing as I was never told this by anyone!  And just learned this yesterday by reading other HOD posts!  It seems a bit rediculous that nobody has said anything!  Grrr!

We were thinking of changing him to a large breed puppy food...do you thinking changing him to adult food is the right way to go?  Any suggestions are appreciated!!!  Also, what about rice, chicken, veggies etc.?

Unfortunately, most vets know little about HOD.  It's not a very common problem, and it is frequently misdiagnosed.  I suggest, if you haven't already, visiting the Great Dane Lady's site.  She has the most comprehensive advice on HOD available, and she knows more than 90% of the vets out there about growth disorders.  My vet consulted with her years ago for a foster we had with HOD, and she was incredibly helpful.  She also visited us recently and, if you haven't found it already, you really should read the "expert" thread she did:  http://www.bigpawsonly.com/index.php/topic,19392.0.html

The only two puppy foods that I know of that are properly formulated for large/giant breed pups are the Eagle Pack and Innova formulas.  We have fed our pups adult formulas for years now (Innova Adult is my current favorite).  The only growth problem we've ever encountered was about 19 years ago, before we knew to do this.

This is absolutely wonderful, thank you again for all your help.  I will go read the posts and check out her site.  Any help will be a huge help!

We tried Innova puppy food when we first got him but he didn't seem to like it.  But I am willing to try Innova adult food and see how we do. ;D


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Medical Conditions & Diseases / Re: Hypertrophic Osteodystrophy (HOD)
« on: October 11, 2007, 09:39:24 am »
Hi David,

I completely understand what you are going through.  Boomer did not walk for a week and then it was one step at a time. 

As far as the eatting, I have personally found then when my dog has runny stools that rice helps to solidify him.  Maybe try something different for food.  We feed Wellness puppy food.  This might help Bhima go poop.  I also made an efford to carry Boomer outside about every 2 hours and held him to go potty so he could atleast keep some dignity and potty outside instead of in his bed/kennel. 

We did not try to force Boomer to walk at all, he just started walking on his own when he was feeling better. 

I know it is patience testing but they are worth every moment that you have to spend by their side comforting them...carryin g them...and just loving on them. 

Good luck!
Miranda

As was stated above, Wellness puppy may be to high in protein. Currently looking for a better option.  :)

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Medical Conditions & Diseases / Re: Hypertrophic Osteodystrophy (HOD)
« on: October 11, 2007, 09:38:20 am »
We feed Wellness puppy food. 

Miranda, you may want to rethink Boomer's food.  Wellness is a good brand, but the puppy formula is way too high in protein and may actually be exacerbating the HOD.  You want a moderate protein/moderate fat food (around 21-24% protein and 12-14% fat) for a giant breed puppy.  I believe that the Wellness adult formulas are in the appropriate range.

You are absolutely correct.  We just discussed this last night...seeing as I was never told this by anyone!  And just learned this yesterday by reading other HOD posts!  It seems a bit rediculous that nobody has said anything!  Grrr!

We were thinking of changing him to a large breed puppy food...do you thinking changing him to adult food is the right way to go?  Any suggestions are appreciated!!!  Also, what about rice, chicken, veggies etc.?

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Medical Conditions & Diseases / Re: Hypertrophic Osteodystrophy (HOD)
« on: October 11, 2007, 09:35:38 am »
hi, sorry to hear about your pup. my pup is just recently recovered from HOD. she had it for 3months, and didnt walk at all for those 3. later twards the end of her disease when she started to feel a little better and would move on her own, i held her in a kiddie pool and let her paddle as much or as little as she wanted. i wouldnt suggest just throwing em in and letting him go at it lol, but then again, if i would have done that with mine she probably would have drowned on me. its good that hes older though, it means theres less of an amount of time for him to have to deal with it. it usually stops around 7 or 8 months old. when it comes to exercise though... no forced exercise is the way to go. meaning, if he gets up and wanders on his own, perfect, but dont try to stand him up or anything like that. does your vet have him on any medications to help with the pain, and did he talk to you about his diet, and what to do with fevers and such?

I'm glad to hear that your puppy is doing better!  It is so hard isn't it! 

Boomer is currently on Rimadyl for the pain, and we have some non steroidal meds for inflamation.  He does not seem to be suffering from the fevers any longer. He is three weeks out from his initial diagnosis so he is getting better at a very quick pace! 

He is currently on Wellness Puppy.  But we are looking into changing to a puppy food specific to large breeds to lower the protein.  We are also looking into some more natural foods such as rice and chicken.  Any suggestions!?

Thanks for all your support!

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Medical Conditions & Diseases / Re: Hypertrophic Osteodystrophy (HOD)
« on: October 11, 2007, 08:58:17 am »
Hi David,

I completely understand what you are going through.  Boomer did not walk for a week and then it was one step at a time. 

As far as the eatting, I have personally found then when my dog has runny stools that rice helps to solidify him.  Maybe try something different for food.  We feed Wellness puppy food.  This might help Bhima go poop.  I also made an efford to carry Boomer outside about every 2 hours and held him to go potty so he could atleast keep some dignity and potty outside instead of in his bed/kennel. 

We did not try to force Boomer to walk at all, he just started walking on his own when he was feeling better. 

I know it is patience testing but they are worth every moment that you have to spend by their side comforting them...carryin g them...and just loving on them. 

Good luck!
Miranda

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