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Lisa,

Yes I do ask myself that everyday too.  And what a day dream!  They are a dreamy breed aren't they!  I am glad you are on that other site, I haven't seen posts from you there I guess you are in the lurking stage.  I have never been the lurking type, I am too opinionated it would be too hard to restrain myself!   ;)  Yes I am starting the process as well, I don't like the show dog scene after adopting an ex-show girl.  There is such an UGLY side to it, oh I didn't like what I learned AT ALL!

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Yes of course I would do OFA's and all the responsible health checks and gaurantees.  I am very active with another site that have rescue chairs and fosters and breeders and vets and I have learned so much!  I don't make a move without triple checking!!!  I have adopted an x show dog and I have ISSUES with some of the common practices among show dog owners. BELEIVE ME I won't take caution the wrong way, I appreciate it!



     i'm kinda funny about breeding and please  don't take this the wrong   way but i think only dogs that have been health  tested and are of good tempermant should be bred and the new pups should have homes waiting for them ,i just feel so many people breed for the wrong reasons and we have so many pups and dogs in shelters and rescue....if i were you i would go to a dog show and ask breeders alot  of ???good luck let us know...

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I may find the same thing about the shows, that is why I am taking it slow. The most important thing for me is to make sure my two babies are happy.  I want to be sure that we as a family have fun doing or we will just find somethig else to do. I could never have a kennel show dog, that was not a full member of the family.  For me my fur-babies are my kids, and that is just the way I like it. 

I do post on the other board some, most of the time it is questions. 

Lisa
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If you want I will tell you privately what I have found.  I don't want to get sued for posting it. But I can tell you it will be over my dead body that one of my fur babies enters a buiding with a show going on, after what I have learned! This is where I lose interest in breeding when the CH factor comes into play.  I am totally in to OFA and all health checks but I get sick after adopting an x-show dog knowing what she has been through and learning what common practices intail.  It is subject to great debate and I have a firm stand on which side of the debate I am on.  I know I am going to have a problem finding a breeder I approve!

Jen

I may find the same thing about the shows, that is why I am taking it slow. The most important thing for me is to make sure my two babies are happy.  I want to be sure that we as a family have fun doing or we will just find somethig else to do. I could never have a kennel show dog, that was not a full member of the family.  For me my fur-babies are my kids, and that is just the way I like it.  

I do post on the other board some, most of the time it is questions.  

Lisa


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I just e-mailed you Jen.
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This is what I have read in " The New Complete Great Pyrenees"
book by Paul Strang.


"When all-white dogs are mated to all-white bitches, there is a
grave danger that pigmentation will breakdown. If this is carried
for several generations, missing pigment is almost a certainty. In
addition, one approaches the problem of albinism,including deafness
and impaired vision. Accordingly, only the most knowledgeable
breeder who is familiar with the markings and pigmentation of all
the dogs on both sides of the pedigree for at least three
generations will attempt to breed two pure-white Pyrenees"



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Re: Considering having Thunder Stud a litter before he gets fixed..need advise
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2006, 04:13:38 pm »
AH yes the geneology factor!  Are you a breeder?  I really want to learn more.  I am looking into the OFA certs with our vet. What else should I do?

It is my understanding that when you breed two pure white pyrs you can get a loss of pigmentation.  

Lisa


that's what i was looking to hear, also, thunders pedigree and his hip/elbow ofa or pre limb???
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Re: Considering having Thunder Stud a litter before he gets fixed..need advise
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2006, 05:47:19 pm »
Oh yes, this post started off quite a trip for Thunders Mom.  She now does not have any plans breed him and has had him fixed.  She can now tell you the pedigree history of most of the top Great Pyrenees in the country.  She has a great mentor and is learning from some of the best people in Pyrs.  We share links several time a week on different show and or Pyr sites.

Lisa
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Me thinks you spent too much time on your rant and not enough keeping up with the posts.
You made good points about breeding in general. Please don't aim at one individual.
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Spay before the first heat NOT after the first litter.
Neuter before he runs away.

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Did I miss something?  This was from over a year ago. Jenn and I have both learned tons since then. Dixie is showing now and I have my second show pup on the way. Yes when we first get started it is in daydreams. We were just looking for other to share our excitement and give up tips to get where we need to go. 

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Beauman - Great Pyrenees 14 months
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You are right Lisa...this thread is very old.
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I put your 2 whites might equal loss of pigment to my Pyr Group.  They jumped all over it...not true, according that site.  Just thought I would share.  May I ask if you already know what you would like to do, why haven't you started showing?  Also if you are serious about the breed I am surprised you are not part of that Pyr group.  If you would like I will get you the info to become a member I for one would love to have you there.

I know with my bullies, breeding two whites can cause loss of pigments.. and this makes their noses and feet VERY pink and the lips even lose color... Which is why most bull terrier breeders will breed white to colored, or white with marking to colored... a few breeders still do white on white, but its when they have GREAT lines...  i dont know if this is true with pyrs. but it IS in the bull terriers...
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