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Re: No! He's a Landseer, Dangit!
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2007, 05:45:30 am »
wow that confused me too. i think i'm still confused. :-X ;D

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Re: No! He's a Landseer, Dangit!
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2007, 08:16:04 am »
Huh?
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Re: No! He's a Landseer, Dangit!
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2007, 08:56:58 am »
HUH???
the only seperate breed is the LANDSEER ECT in england.
there is no other sort of landseer other than the newfoundland dog, landseer variety, no mix.
it is plain ole newf.
the LANDSEER ECT originated years ago, maybe other breeds were involved but they also are not considered mixed with pyr.
not sure where that info came from of landseer being mixed.
it could be a joke??  ;D
i sure hope so becouse the public needs to be educated properly with all the designer dog breedings that are going on now.
anyone who wants to research , go to the newfoundland club of america website.
anyone wanting to research the ECT can go to the search bar and type in landseer ECT
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Re: No! He's a Landseer, Dangit!
« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2007, 09:10:30 am »
i dont get it, the landseer is not mixed with pyr, exactly what were you saying? somehow i must have misinterpreted your statement.
i go by the parent club with researching, not encyclopedia.
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one confused sarnewfie :o
Edited to say i read what the encyclopedia wrote and it is wrong.
the landseer is not seperate from the newfoundland.
it is saying the landseer specifically was bred with the pyr.
not so.
thel andseer is a piebald gene in the newfoundland dogs genes.
wether the newfoundland dog as a whole has some pyr from way back?
may be so, but, to say it is specifically landseer is misleading and misinforming.
not saying you said it, but the book states it.
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Re: No! He's a Landseer, Dangit!
« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2007, 09:19:35 am »
ok so they may be referring to the ect becouse the landseer in the newfoundland breed is NOT seperate from the newfoundland as a whole.
sorry i have to disagree on this.
the only thing i can see this referring to is the split in england when the ECT became its own breed.
you wont see the landseer seperate in canada usa or anywhere else.
the ECT is, it is a whole different type.
i still may be misunderstandi ng you but. i do know my newfoundlands, seeing as we have been involved in these hairy beasts since the late 80`s :)
i think the confusion is in interpretation possibly, i do know the info on the landseer by heart, after all i breed them, and no where did it state them being a seperate entity, EXCEPT with the ECT.
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Re: No! He's a Landseer, Dangit!
« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2007, 09:31:29 am »
i dont know of a seperate breed of landseer other than the ECT so that is news to me.
here is a write up on some of the history of the landseer variety of newfoundland dog, by variety we mean color only.
not a seperate breed, note they call them white and blacks.
http://www.ncanewfs.org/history/pages/landseer.html
this is from the NCA site and you can investigate further for whomever is interested.
Edited to add the link to the ECT wich i think your encyclopedia is referencing, though i have no clue why they didnt put the ect on it.
http://www.moloss.com/breeds/jkl/l001/
it sure does sound the same as what the continental landseer is.
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Re: No! He's a Landseer, Dangit!
« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2007, 09:51:55 pm »
Actually after all ... maybe I'll just answer yes to all those odd combinations because I'm really not sure what he is now....   ;D

It was interesting and I love reading about the breed.  I know that he's a Newfoundland.  When you get down to it, I don't care really, I just know that I love him.

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Re: No! He's a Landseer, Dangit!
« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2007, 02:56:45 am »
Harp Seal???  That's too funny!

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Re: No! He's a Landseer, Dangit!
« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2007, 09:00:55 am »
Harp seal?!?  Okay, I can't resist: Next time you get the harp seal comment you should say "Yeah and you should see the size of the club that we had to use to get him to come along peacefully." 
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Re: No! He's a Landseer, Dangit!
« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2007, 04:03:55 pm »
Our Max was a very fat Flat Coated Retriever.  Many times he was confused with a Newf.  One day two of the neighborhood boys and I were walking Max.  A woman came around the corner, saw Max, and screamed bloddy murder.  After I recovered from her theatrics, I told her that he wouldn't hurt her.  She said that she thought he was a bear.  Excuse me, I live in a major city, we get really big rats, some squirrels, the occasional chipmonk, but in all my days I have never seen a bear in the city, except in the zoo.

Poor you and poor Max.  That silly drama queen must have scared you both half to death.   ::)  Bear?  Yeah, probably more like a big 'ol cuddly teddy bear!   :D

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Re: No! He's a Landseer, Dangit!
« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2007, 12:20:10 am »
Oh that's awful! 

But funny!  LOL!  Maybe after a comment like that people will think twice before making stupid comments.
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Re: No! He's a Landseer, Dangit!
« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2007, 11:35:33 am »
Lots of people get confused about Newfs and Landseers. In germany and most of the E.U. they are considered 2 seperate breeds also. They have a slightly smaller frame and the heads are a bit narrower with a longer muzzle. Because of this, they created a slightly altered breed standard for show purposes. The beauty of each would be appreciated without emphasizing the slight diferences. In every other regard a Landseer is surely a Newf. Just a color variation. Audrey's papers have it listed as color# 202 black and white. Newfs are said to come from a Tibetin Mastiff and a Great Pyrn.
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Re: No! He's a Landseer, Dangit!
« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2008, 04:33:43 am »
well, actually, all you who claim Landseer is not a breed...you're WRONG!

it's a fully recognized (except in the States and Canada, but they're looking into it) breed called the Landseer ECT, which stands for the European Continental Type... and it's, by the way, not smaller but bigger than the Newfoundland. thank you...

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Re: No! He's a Landseer, Dangit!
« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2008, 09:22:12 am »
I realize that I should have more patience with people who don't know newfies, but if I hear one more cockamamie dog combination for what my Landseer is, I'm going to hit someone in their head!

So far, I've gotten:
1.  Is that a Border Collie/ Lab Mix?
2.  Is that a dalmation/lab mix?
3.  Is it a dalmation/border collie/lab mix?
4.  Is that a dalmation/St. Bernard Mix?
5.  Is that a border collie/St. Bernard Mix?

Every great once in a while I get a semi intelligent person who throws newfoundland in the mix but never gets it right. 

Is it wrong to get so offended when someone mistakes a pure bred with a mix???  I don't have anything against a mix, I love them just as much...I just get so irritated by.  Why can't they just ask what he is without trying to guess?

I would not get to offended,most people know nothing of a Newfie and even less about a Landseer..I have been told that Bear is a mix because he is not all white!then you find out they do not even know what a Great Pyrenees is to start with so how could they know they come with badger markings!
But I do think people ought to ask and say..Beautiful Dog, what breed is he?  if they do not knwo they should ask instead of guess...that is annoying I am sure.
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Re: No! He's a Landseer, Dangit!
« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2008, 12:27:57 pm »
If I ever see you or another landseer I will make sure to call him one.