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NATIONWIDE MARCH AGAINST PAWS
« on: July 22, 2005, 06:01:47 pm »
PLEASE CROSSPOST AND DISTRIBUTE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE.....

A new list has been created to organize this march.

It is going to be in each capitol and maybe even in each city nationwide on a date that is yet to be decided.

We need doers.

This is not a free ride list.

JOIN US.....

FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS!!!!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NATIONWIDEDOGMARCH/
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Re: NATIONWIDE MARCH AGAINST PAWS
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2005, 06:56:42 pm »
Pardon my ignorance, but what is PAWS? I did a search and 5 or 6 completely different organizations popped up and they all looked like animal shelters or something...?

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Re: NATIONWIDE MARCH AGAINST PAWS
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2005, 06:59:51 pm »
There is a very bad bill pending in Congress.  PAWS
was originally proposed by animal rights (AR)
organizations to, ostensibly, get rid of
"puppy mills" but, if it passes, it will insure that
eventually most, probably almost all, pure-bred and/or
working dogs will come from commercial
breeders, i.e. those very puppy mills.  It will make
pure-bred cat breeding impossible and will also make
rescue prohibitively expensive. PAWS is an
extremely bad bill!!  If you love your animals, oppose
it vigorously! 


PAWS, as written, is confusing, arbitrary and NO ONE
knows for sure exactly what all of its provisions will
mean for animal owners in the US but it will be bad.
The pet-law list has been running 100-200 mails a day
about PAWS for two months, and still there is no
consensus about precisely what its provisions will
mean except that what the HSUS and the AKC are saying
about it is not true. (BTW, the AKC, without whose
support this bill would not pass, infuriated most of
its members by presenting AKC support for this bill as
a fait accompli with no discussion among its members -
but then corporate AKC will make a lot of money if
this bill passes while the dog owners they are
supposed to represent will lose.  The AKC even changed
its historic mission statement to reflect this
change in their priorities.) 


I must admit that my head is spinning as I try to
figure out what this law will actually mean to me and
other people but I have already determined
that, even though I breed a litter of puppies no more
than every four years, still there are at least 4 ways
that I will lose my exemption as a small breeder and I
will have to comply with the USDA regulations which
will be impossibly costly and absolutely inimical to
the rearing of good home-raised hounds.   


Lawyers and people who have much legislative
experience are as confused about this law as the rest
of us (and this is even before the bureaucrats who
will enforce it get involved!)  But certain things are


becoming apparent.  Rescue groups are claiming that
they will be exempt but that is not true unless the
bill is rewritten.  PAWS, if enforced, will devastate
rescue in this country.  Pure-bred cat breeding will
almost cease to exist and the hobby breeders of dogs
(the good show and working dog people who produce the
best animals) will not fare much better.  And now it
is becoming apparent that many home breeders of
rabbits, guinea pigs and other pets will also be badly
affected. 


This bill was hatched when the Doris Day Animal League
- an animal rights, not an animal welfare,
organization - lost a lawsuit (DDAL v. Veneman). 
They were trying to force the USDA to regulate
everyone who breeds any animals, not just the large
commercial breeders who are already covered by the
Animal Welfare Act (AWA).  They lost that lawsuit
because the courts concluded that Congress had no
intent to regulate hobby breeders under the AWA.  This
new bill WILL DEFINITELY ESTABLISH THAT INTENT and,
while its provisions are already bad enough, I am sure
that the DDAL and other AR groups are already
preparing a lawsuit to file if PAWS passes which will
try to eliminate the few exemptions small breeders can
claim under PAWS.  They will have an excellent chance
of winning that lawsuit. 


This bill radically changes the federal government's
relationship with animals in the US.  PAWS is not
about animal cruelty, neglect or puppy mills.  "Puppy
mills", i.e.commercial breeders, are already very well


covered under the AWA.  If the AWA were properly
enforced, all those abuses decried by the AR groups
(and mourned by us all) would not exist.
And, in addition, every state, county and municipality
in this country already has laws regarding cruelty and
neglect. 


Animal rights groups want to control and possibility
eliminate your relationship with your animals and PAWS
is a crucial first step for them. 
Do a deep background search on what some of the more
extreme people behind AR actually think and want to
implement or let me know and I will send you a list of
verified quotes that will chill your soul.  Many of
the leaders of the AR movement are envisioning a
future where we will ALL be petless vegans and the
only animals will be ones that can survive in the
wild.  They won't get that far, of course, but in the
meantime they may inflict a lot of damage.  PAWS is
definitely part of that damage. 


Please do whatever you can do to stop his bill which
creates another huge intrusion by the federal
government into our lives and threatens our
futures with our animals.   


Call and write your Senator. In the Senate, PAWS is
S.1139.  Also call the  Senate Agriculture Committee
(202) 224.2035 and the Senate Appropriations Committee
(202) 224-5270 to let them know you oppose
S.1139. 


Call your Representative .  In the House, PAWS is HB
2669.   Also call the House Agriculture Committee
(202) 225-2171. 


Check the links below for more information and more
ways you can oppose PAWS. 


Thanks for listening,


Geraldine


Websites with PAWS info and how to fight it:


http://www.pet-law.com/index.html


http://saova.org/1139.html
http://www.dfow.org/paws.htm


http://ncraoa.com/alerts.html


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Re: NATIONWIDE MARCH AGAINST PAWS
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2005, 07:08:21 pm »
Animal Advocacy Organizations Opposing S1139/HR2669
(PAWS)
   
National Groups
Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council
Sportsmen's and Animal Owners' Voting Alliance
Cat Fanciers' Association
The Animal Council
National Animal Interest Alliance
American Dog Owners' Association
United Kennel Club
Master of Fox Hounds Association
The International Cat Association
American Dog Breeders Association
The International Bengal Cat Society
U.S. Sportsmen's Alliance
National Birman Fanciers (CFA)
White Shetland Sheepdog Association
Ocicats International
The Devon Rex Breed Club


AKC Parent Breed Clubs
American Brittany Club
American Shetland Sheepdog Association
American Chesapeake Club
German Shorthaired Pointer Club of America
American Pomeranian Club
Papillon Club of America
Dachshund Club of America
Pug Dog Club of America
English Springer Spaniel Field Trial Association


Statewide Groups
Virginia Hunting Dog Owners' Association
Dog Federation of Wisconsin
California Federation of Dog Clubs
North Carolina Federation of Dog Clubs
Missouri Federation of Animal Owners
Responsible Pet Owners Alliance (Texas)
North Carolina Responsible Animal Owners' Alliance
North Carolina Coon Hunters Association
North Carolina Sporting Dogs Association
North Carolina Bear Hunters Association
Federation of Maine Dog Clubs
Virginia Bear Hunters Association
Responsible Animal Owners of Tennessee
Illinois Federation of Outdoor Resources
Professional Pet Association (MO)
Sporting Dog Association of Missouri
PUFF (Pfanciers United For Fun, Inc.) (Midwest)
North Carolina Field Trial Association
CT Dogs (CT)
Massachusetts Federation of Dog Clubs
Missouri Pet Breeders Association
Amateur Field Trial Clubs of America - Region 12 (AZ &
NM)
Amateur Field Trial Clubs of America - Region 7 (TX)
Nebraska Brittany Club


Local Groups
Carolina Kennel Club, Inc. (NC)
Alliance of Responsible Pet Owners of N.E. Florida
Greater Clark County Kennel Club (WA)
Schooley's Mountain Kennel Club (NJ)
Ladies' Dog Club, Inc. (MA)
Asheville Kennel Club (NC)
Jacksonville NC Kennel Club
Central Carolina Dachshund Club (NC)
Greater Orange Park Dog Club, Inc (FL)
Clermont County Kennel Club (OH)
Piedmont Kennel Club (NC)
The Dalmatian Club of the Piedmont (NC)
Springfield Kennel Club (MA)
Burlington Cat Fanciers (NC)
Tropical Cats Inc. (FL)
Western Clinton Sportsmen's Association (PA)
New Brunswick Kennel Club (NJ)
North Shore Kennel Club (MA)
Thunderkatz, Inc. (OK)
Wachusett Kennel Club (MA)
St. Croix Valley Brittany Club (MN)
Kalamazoo Kennel Club (MI)
Fanciers Cocker Spaniel Club of Southern WI
Jacksonville Dog Fanciers Association (FL)
Susquehanna Brittany Club (PA)
Salisbury Kennel Club (NC)
LNC Pet Supply (CA)
Memphis International Cat Enthusiasts (TN)
East of Eden Cat Fanciers (CA)
Colonial Shetland Sheepdog Club (MA)
Western Massachusetts Shetland Sheepdog Club
Greater Fort Myers Dog Club (FL)
Capitol City Cocker Club (DC)
Sunshine Dachshund Club of Jacksonville (FL)
Absolutely Abyssinians Cat Club (FL)
Sawnee Mountain Kennel Club (GA)
Eugene Kennel Club (OR)
Salt Lake Doberman Pinscher Club (UT)
Cochise Bird Dog Club (AZ)
Blue Ridge P.E.T.S.(Pets in Education and Therapy
Service) (VA)
German Shorthaired Pointer Club of Central Virginia
Sacramento Bird Dog Club (CA)


Rescues
Turkish Van Breed Rescue
Lhasa Apso Southern Rescue, Inc. (MS)
Great Dane Rescue of Northeast Florida
Jacksonville Sheltie Rescue (FL)
North American Shar-Pei Rescue
Pug Rescue of North Carolina, Inc.
Wisconsin Cocker Rescue
Birman Breed Rescue
New England Sheltie Rescue
Devon Rex Rescue League, Inc.
Animal Safe Haven Foundation (CA)
Bay Area Boxer Rescue (CA)
Dalmatian Rescue of Southwest Virginia
CFA Purebred Rescue, Inc.
KitnHevn Rescue, Inc. (FL & OH)
Halfpint Haven Borzoi and Greyhound Rescue, Inc. (FL)
Louisiana Brittany Rescue
Golden Retriever Rescue of Mid-Florida
Bulldog Club of America Rescue Network
Lancaster Area Poodle Rescue (PA)
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Re: NATIONWIDE MARCH AGAINST PAWS
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2005, 07:09:00 pm »
Those FOR the PAWS bill:


AMERICAN KENNEL CLUB

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Re: NATIONWIDE MARCH AGAINST PAWS
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2005, 07:11:42 pm »
CALL and voice your opposition to the Senate Agricultural Committee.

202-224-2035

When the person answers, say "I am calling to voice my opposition to S1139, the PAWS bill.

CALL and voice your opposition to the House Agricultural Committee

202-225-2171

When the person answers, say "I am calling to voice my opposition to HB2669, the PAWS bill.

After your phone calls, FAX this short letter to both these numbers:

202-224-1725

I OPPOSE S1139, the PAWS bill.

signed,

**your name**
Address, email, etc

202-225-0917

I OPPOSE HB2669, the PAWS bill.

Signed,

**your name**
Address, email, etc

Faxes count as LETTERS, and must be recorded. Each one. DO IT NOW.....
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Re: NATIONWIDE MARCH AGAINST PAWS
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2005, 07:31:02 pm »
Can you please post a link to the actual text of the proposed bill?
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Re: NATIONWIDE MARCH AGAINST PAWS
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2005, 07:38:59 pm »
These links will take you to the current AWA and to the PAWS
legislation.


Animal Welfare Act
http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/legislat/awa.htm


Pet Animal Welfare Statute
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:S.1139:
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Re: NATIONWIDE MARCH AGAINST PAWS
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2005, 08:09:09 pm »
Pet Animal Welfare Statute
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:S.1139:


Please repost the correct link for this second document. Thanks.
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Re: NATIONWIDE MARCH AGAINST PAWS
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2005, 08:53:41 pm »
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Pet Animal Welfare Statute
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:S.1139:

Quote

I'm not sure why the original link didn't work, but it's correct. I got it to come up when I clicked on the link in the email, but not on the one here, and it's exactly the same.

How strange.....

Try it this way, I'll use their tags....

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:S.1139:

Maybe that will help.
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Re: NATIONWIDE MARCH AGAINST PAWS
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2005, 07:38:52 am »
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Re: NATIONWIDE MARCH AGAINST PAWS
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2005, 08:28:01 am »
Please distribute widely
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In addition to responsible animal owners' telephone calls to the Senate Agriculture committee's numbers and contacting their
representative s/senators, there is an online petition in opposition to PAWS 2005 that responsible animal owners can (and have) signed.

The petition is located at http://www.petitionspot.com and is entitled "PAWS 2005 Opposition". Over 2,500 have signed, so far, with limited
promotion. The results will be made available to legislators at the appropriate time, as reinforcement.

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Re: NATIONWIDE MARCH AGAINST PAWS
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2005, 07:41:54 pm »
Okay, I have now read all of both documents. I can not find any articles that would be specifically an issue for a reputable breeder. In the PAWS document, which is just a short ammenment to clarify the earilier legislation, it says that breeders who sell less than 25 years do not count as a 'dealer' and thus the act does not really apply to them. As far as rescue goes, it says they need to keep detailed records and hold the dogs for a minimum of 5 days, but I really don't see why that would be such a problem for them.

Red, you clearly feel passionately against this peice of legislation so can you please tell me which particular articles scare you and a breeder/rescuer?
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Re: NATIONWIDE MARCH AGAINST PAWS
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2005, 09:18:38 pm »
The main thing that scares me is the defining of hobby breeders by the numbers.

Peta and DDAL have both admitted that this is a first step, and that the numbers were a compromise. They wanted them lower to start with.

This law names ANYONE who sells ANY dog for HUNTING, GUARDING, OR BREEDING a dealer.

This would include ALL show people.

It will DECIMATE the purebred cat industry because of the very different ways things are done there. Queens stay in heat until they are bred, and cats are bred much more often for health reasons, etc, than dogs are, plus litters are generally much smaller.

It will practically eliminate rescue as they will be classified as reselling adult dogs and all will have to be licensed and inspected and have special facilities.

It is just a bad law, it is TOOO vague, and the number definitions are too easy to change down the road.

I am terrified for the future of my right to keep the breed I love, and to steward it in it's best interest.

I worry about that every single day.

Anyone who fancies any sort of dog should be worried too.

That article about Thank God For Football is about more than cropping and docking. IT's about BSL too, and our very right to have dogs and cats as companions in this country.

There are laws on the books right now that require mandatory spay/neuter, and CA is trying desperately to pass SB861, overturning their excellent state wide law forbidding BSL, so that each community can pass a law if it so desires requiring the wholesale spay/neuter of certain breeds.

Who defines what is which breed? How do they tell? If it's "pit bulls", is a white boxer a pit bull? What about a collie X pitbull? Half have lone hair and long noses. Are they pitbulls? Who decides?

I'm scared.

Very scared.
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Re: NATIONWIDE MARCH AGAINST PAWS
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2005, 09:22:35 pm »
So shangri..... I am glad you asked for the links, I was reading and was going to ask for a link to the actual bill and be able to read the wording in it.

I have for 25 years worked in animal rescue and during quite a few of those years I was involved in "lobbying" animal right to legislators. I know how a lot of people feel about laws but there has to be some laws to protect and set up the guide lines which we work within, as with everything else that goes for animal issues and questins too.

I read the bill, re read it and can still dont really see the problem, to me it sounds like a protection against breeders and so called rescue groups who are not too reputable.

I know how it is when you feel strongly about something and would like to hear the precise reason for why this bill would be a problem for rescues and respectiv and responsible and ethical breeders.

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