Pyr mouth Questions

[GreatPyr]

I have noticed some Pyrs have a droopy mouth and some have a tighter mouth,not droopy at all,some have the droop eyes and some do not.I noticed the AKC standard is not the droopy mouth and eyes.Why are some drooped and some not?

I noticed My Bear has drooped lips when shut and droop eyes,sometimes they are red.

[People Whisperer]

Poor breeding 
Pyrs shouldn't have droopy eyes or mouth. Some show males have looser lips than others but overall they should be pretty tight 

[GreatPyr]

  i love The droop look,bear has the major droops in mouth and eyes,He must be of poor breeding
His mom had drooped eyes but not mouth, his dad had a block head and droop mouth and eyes.They where both working stock Pyrs.Both AKC.

[People Whisperer]

GPCA standard applies the same way to working and show dogs  I guess poor bred pyrs were/are a quick fix for farmers 
 

[Pyr Heaven]

I think it's sort of natural for the eyes to be a LITTLE bit droopy when they look up. Not even necessarily droopy, but it will seem droopy because you'll see the redness when looking up, but not much.

Miles has a LITTLE bit of a droopy mouth, but NOTHING like a saint bernard, or newf. I wouldn't consider his eyes to be droopy either, but when i'm standing and he's lying down looking up at me, they look droopy from that angle.

[BigSoftandFluffyLover]

Ditto, Rasputin has tight lips and tight eyes, completely white except perfect lip liner and eye liner in black.  His brother (who i used to have  ) had a droopy mouth and kind of droopy eyes, plus he didnt have the constant black on his eyes and lips...They came from the same parents but Rasputin just ended up having the AKC genes after all.  His mother was 70 lbs and his father was 150 and a working dog!!! 

[GreatPyr]

I have noticed some Pyrs have a droopy mouth and some have a tighter mouth,not droopy at all,some have the droop eyes and some do not.I noticed the AKC standard is not the droopy mouth and eyes.Why are some drooped and some not?

I noticed My Bear has drooped lips when shut and droop eyes,sometimes they are red.

Do you mean that the eyes look droopy and red when Bear is looking up at you or straight on? Also, lips are much droopier when relaxed (i.e. asleep) then when alert.

You are right,His eyes are droopy and red when looking up at me, not straight on,his mouth kind of flops on each side but not hanging down like a saint by any means.If you go to the bear pics i just posted you can see what I am talking about in his eyes in the last pic where he is chewing the bone.

[GreatPyr]

Here is Bear straight on,his mouth doesnt look droopy now,when its shut or he is alseep or laying down it does more.His eyes are sort of red.

[patrick]

Not necessarily poor breeding- your older type Pyrs had big blocky heads along with loose lips.  I still get calls specifically asking for that type of head.  The standard was re-written about 10 years ago and now calls for a tighter lip- and your breeders all scrambled to produce a different shape head- for a while the noses were really pointy and the Pyr looked more like a Kuvasc or even a Sammy until you looked at their ears. But if you run across some old pics of Pyrs you will see the droopy lips- even in the show Pyrs.  Loose eyelids are also common and a fault but not necessarily a result of poor breeding

[GreatPyr]

Patrick,I agree, I have looked at the older pics of the pyrs and they where stocky with big heads and the more droopy lids and mouths.The new pys are tight lipped and pointer nose.Alot of te breeders sites I go to strive on the tight lips.
I like the old style better myself,the blockier head and body.I will surely buy one in years to come and I have already been searchig for breeders,I am looking for the blockier bred pyr.Out of the 3 pups Bear was the one that took on the shape of his Dad...stocky body,block head,drooped mouth and eyes,thats why I decided on him to keep out of the 3 males,the other two had pointy muzzles like the Mom,All beautiful no doubt, but just what I prefer.
to find the Ole body style if you will.. is hard to find.

[GreatPyr]

This is my idea of a Beautiful Pyr,this is off the internet pic.Dont get me wrong they are all beautiful IMO but I like the thick,blocky type.

[maxsmom]

I completely agree with you on the droopy mouth.  I don't like a st mouth on a pyr, but I agree that the big, heavy, blocky head, slight loose lips and big, blocky, body are beautiful.  I like the kuvasz head on a kuvasz, but really like the big, heavy, solidly built pyrs looks.  I don't like the really narrow shoulders either.  I like the way that Jake kinda looks like a body builder, with his front legs so far apart, when he is facing me.  It looks cool.
Kathy

[maxsmom]

Here is the picture from the Christmas parade.  Jake is the one facing you on the right side.

Kathy