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Re: ADVICE @ PETRA??? HELP!« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2005, 03:33:56 PM »
Personally I would make an agreement that if it didn't work out you MUST be notified before any decissions were made. In my contract from Apaches breeder it states that the puppy/dog must not be surrendered to any shelter, the breeder must be notified first.
Good luck what ever you decide.
Carolyn
Good luck what ever you decide.
Carolyn
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The policeman may not realize that Petra is unstable, or he may think that such a dog is okay for protection work. I don't know. If you do decide to go ahead, please talk to him, and make sure he understands that a protection dog is not just supposed to be aggressive; they must be extremely obedient and be good with children, or they will hurt someone badly.
Good Hope I understand what you are saying and it is correct. Protection dogs do need to be stable. I was thinking that if they are real professional police dog trainers. They may be able to figure what is triggering Petra. If it is something that can not be correctable than there may be no options left for her. I do think that it is important for Petras mom to make sure everyone in the situation is fully aware of her problems, which she seems very willing to do
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Good Hope I understand what you are saying and it is correct. Protection dogs do need to be stable. I was thinking that if they are real professional police dog trainers. They may be able to figure what is triggering Petra. If it is something that can not be correctable than there may be no options left for her. I do think that it is important for Petras mom to make sure everyone in the situation is fully aware of her problems, which she seems very willing to do
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Re: ADVICE @ PETRA??? HELP!« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2005, 04:05:37 PM »
I do agree with everyone that you should call this guy and talk to him, and maybe ask him if you can talk to the trainers as well and give them all the specifics and see what they have to say. This may sound corney, but I believe that things happen for a reason, fate if you will maybe she is suppose to go to this police officer or maybe this was suppose to happen so that you could talk to your vet about the drug that Jeanne mentioned. No matter what you decide we are behind you 100%
Nina
Calgary, AB, Canada
Harley(Lab mix)
Dilbert(Pyr mix)At the bridge
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Re: ADVICE @ PETRA??? HELP!« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2005, 04:14:36 PM »
Your dog has weak nerves and has proven several times to be unstable....I am sorry the last thing that is going to happen for this dog is to become a certified dog in protection. Your dog is a liability and a big one at that. I am sorry, I am not sugar coating it....How many people has your dog bitten now? I know you love your dog but sometimes love isnt enough. Your dog is still young and caused a lot of damage maturity isnt going to help her and just make her instincts stronger. How many Neo's has this trainer trained? They arent like herders or other molossers...th ey work mainly in defense and your dogs defense is infact fear which isnt correct for a Neo or any other breed for that matter.
These people may not have children but the neighbor may or realitives may and what good is a protection dog if she has to be confined. Training a dog for guarding is a very fine and delicate line and takes many many years.
There are so many dogs that dont make the cut in that field that were bred from titled parents and dont work out.
Am my deepest apologies if this comes across to harsh..I am hormonal due to being pregnant but I feel that this dog is dangerous and has shown a trememdous amounts of signs as truly being a fear agressive powerful animals
These people may not have children but the neighbor may or realitives may and what good is a protection dog if she has to be confined. Training a dog for guarding is a very fine and delicate line and takes many many years.
There are so many dogs that dont make the cut in that field that were bred from titled parents and dont work out.
Am my deepest apologies if this comes across to harsh..I am hormonal due to being pregnant but I feel that this dog is dangerous and has shown a trememdous amounts of signs as truly being a fear agressive powerful animals
Anchara 16mth old Caucasian Ovcharka
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Re: ADVICE @ PETRA??? HELP!« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2005, 04:40:27 PM »
I'd say give it a shot. Maybe someone else can get through to her and help her to become a productive member of the dog community. 
Jaime
Mom to one handsome black Bear.
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definately! It's worth a shot. She just hasn't found her niche yet! This may be it.
Re: ADVICE @ PETRA??? HELP!« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2005, 04:50:17 PM »
Have any of you taken in a dog that is unstable that has been from unstable background?
You cant even beging to work a Neo in protection until 18mths to 2 years because they are all defense driven
Ground work is started with tug and lots and lots of handling before all of this
I personally know professional decoys and have had long conversations with situations with this
This dog wont even let her nails be clipped never mind taking the pressure of a stick or a decoy charging at her with a hose full of water
You cant even beging to work a Neo in protection until 18mths to 2 years because they are all defense driven
Ground work is started with tug and lots and lots of handling before all of this
I personally know professional decoys and have had long conversations with situations with this
This dog wont even let her nails be clipped never mind taking the pressure of a stick or a decoy charging at her with a hose full of water
Anchara 16mth old Caucasian Ovcharka
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Have any of you taken in a dog that is unstable that has been from unstable background?
You cant even beging to work a Neo in protection until 18mths to 2 years because they are all defense driven
Ground work is started with tug and lots and lots of handling before all of this
I personally know professional decoys and have had long conversations with situations with this
This dog wont even let her nails be clipped never mind taking the pressure of a stick or a decoy charging at her with a hose full of water
Yes I have taken in a rescue that was "unstable". she turned out to be the best dog I ever had. You cant even beging to work a Neo in protection until 18mths to 2 years because they are all defense driven
Ground work is started with tug and lots and lots of handling before all of this
I personally know professional decoys and have had long conversations with situations with this
This dog wont even let her nails be clipped never mind taking the pressure of a stick or a decoy charging at her with a hose full of water
Our Katie girl(rotti) was such a handful once she started to mature, growling snapping, nipping etc.. I had been to different trainers, nothing was helping. I think my vet had reservations about her. I found one last trainer, if it were not for him. We probably would have had her put to sleep. He got this dog into shape, like you would not believe. No it did not happen overnight. It took time and patience. We saw gradual changes over time. She became a very loving and great family pet. She spent the last 5 years of her life with my daughter with no incidents at all. This trainer trained police dogs and bomb dogs. His dad was a trainer and he grew up with learning training from his dad. He is an amazing trainer and made all the difference in her behaviour. Even our vet at the time comment on the change. He said I would have never believed it, if I didn't see it for myself. She was a real lil bugger to our vet. 
Some trainers can make all the differnce in the world.
Some trainers can make all the differnce in the world.« Last Edit: December 11, 2005, 04:53:44 PM by Icerotti »
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